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[AV] RealTraps 吸音板和 DAAD 調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 JB 發表於 2009-12-30, 00:05

minime 寫:
JB 寫: Raymond, you're amazing.... :clap2hands :clap2hands

I also want to post my finding with and without the realtraps.
The improvement is more sigificant in my setup. Yellow = without traps (two mondo traps).


JB兄, 此圖顯示連極低頻部份都效果好到近乎奇蹟了. :038:
不知道有沒有waterfall可看?
順便一問是否介意小弟拿此圖去請教Ethan Winer (realtraps)?
記憶中Mondotraps 頂多可以處理的有效頻段似乎沒有這麼低(事實上以一般市售bass traps
都應該沒有這麼有效..甚至可說近乎Acoustically trasparent..).

其它的設定都是一樣的嗎?

Thanks.


The two charts were taken approx. a week apart, but both are set at 60hz using real time analyser before each measure. I didn't do the waterfall chart when I had the traps before passing it to Raymond. I placed an order with realtraps already. Once I have the traps, I will do more before and after comparison to confirm my finding.
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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 minime 發表於 2009-12-30, 00:44

JB 寫:

The two charts were taken approx. a week apart, but both are set at 60hz using real time analyser before each measure. I didn't do the waterfall chart when I had the traps before passing it to Raymond. I placed an order with realtraps already. Once I have the traps, I will do more before and after comparison to confirm my finding.


Ah.
Looking forward to your in-depth report, and I think you'll have a very good result with these traps.
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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 luckybeanbean 發表於 2009-12-30, 12:05

finally have the time to look through the whole thread :modlaugh:

looks like the DAAD works, and I am very suprise that it even works in subsonic region.

and by looking at the graph, looks like lexicon might be difficult to correct the subwoofer bass peaks. A BFD might be able to do a better job if you know how. I am very interested to see if SVS EQ works. Maybe I should borrow martin's XTZ software and mic to do a testing in my home. :modlaugh:
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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2009-12-30, 13:36

luckybeanbean 寫: finally have the time to look through the whole thread :modlaugh:

looks like the DAAD works, and I am very suprise that it even works in subsonic region.

and by looking at the graph, looks like lexicon might be difficult to correct the subwoofer bass peaks. A BFD might be able to do a better job if you know how. I am very interested to see if SVS EQ works. Maybe I should borrow martin's XTZ software and mic to do a testing in my home. :modlaugh:


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I agree the Lexicon cannot able to correct the extreme peaks in my listening areas. However, some users find Lexicon is useful for them. I think the effectiveness of Lexicon EQ may depend on the particular audio frequencies problems within your own home. Hence, it is interested to use the software such as XTZ or REW to test and verify what EQ has been implemented by various AV Amp manufacturers.

As you may remember, I plan to get a BFD to tune the extremely low bass at 26Hz to make it lower.

However, from actual listening test with various movie, I do not find the 26Hz irritating. On the contrary, due to 26Hz is extremely low bass, I consider it is a good body message if this frequency do appear occasionally in the movie for a short time of a second.

Therefore, I do not want to go for EQ direction in the time being. Instead, I would go for room treatment with bass traps such as suitable RealTraps or bigger DAAD4 to see whether they can help.

I understand the most effective is to build a big massive bass trap. But due to the space within my home is limited, I cannot go for this direction.

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I think you will find XTZ Room Analyzer is a good tool to work on and it is extremely easy to use. I strongly suggest you to borrow it from Martin or Eddie. If you have difficulty, I can surely happy to lend mine to your after my time consuming exercise on moving 3 or 4 subwoofers.

You will find it is more fun to understand and move around the heavy subwoofer to find the best locations and settings.

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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2009-12-30, 16:07

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其實在眾多不的測試及比較,一共有 60 條音頻反應曲線圖

作為我分析不同情況及相對效能

由於太多,有些也是對大家沒有多大意思,故也不打算貼出!

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數據有最少 10 個 Folder

每個 Folder 有 12 組音頻數據

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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2009-12-30, 16:26

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當中也有用 Lexicon L7 Film 模式及 EQ Med 修正的組合,

其中用在放有全部 RealTraps 的情況相關的曲線圖

在此也貼出比較 Mono / EQ Off / L7 Film / EQ Med,供大家參考

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無任何吸音板和調音柱的音頻反應曲線圖 No Acoustic Device - Mono EQ Off
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使用所有 6 件 RealTraps 吸音板的音頻反應曲線圖 All RealTraps - Mono EQ Off 關掉 EQ
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使用所有 6 件 RealTraps 吸音板的音頻反應曲線圖 All RealTraps - Film L7 EQ Med 使用中度 EQ

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在最後一張音頻反應曲線圖,因使用了 Lexicon L7 Film 模式與及 EQ Med 修正,

所以用 Lexicon 的調音功能加上 RealTraps,整體音頻反應也有明顯改善,如優化 2 大低谷,

只不過是改善的幅度在相比下,稍不及 DAAD 而已,故 DAAD 更適合用於我家視聽環境,

但我一直强調 RealTraps 是有其獨特效能,如果你家正需要吸那段音頻,

RealTraps 亦有可能有明顯實質功效,故也可以嘗試或考慮使用,

前面亦已提及,我亦也落實購入了 4 塊 RealTraps Mini (2呎x4呎)

把它們放在兩邊牆及天花頂的第一反射點,作為吸音之用

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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 minime 發表於 2009-12-30, 21:00

感謝Raymond 兄與眾網兄的圖表與資訊 讓我們再次開了眼界 :eusa_clap:
這個時代光說不練的人太多,熱心分享的人卻太少.
如Raymond兄的Bass Trap 測試資訊完整者也不多見.
小弟只在自家用上高密度玻纖板與房間周邊塞進數公分至數十公分的fluffy fiberglass/rockwool,
除了幾塊約2'x4' 活動的玻纖板外. 並無法配合Room EQ Wizard如此測試實際吸音效果.

以個人經驗, 將這些玻纖板(表面繃布)放在已經處理過的角落,
效果確實不如未處理或程度較少的角落.

而以REW的高解析度(不設任何的平滑化), 更可發現就算放這些簡單
的吸音材, 對中低頻(120Hz以上)的波峰與cancellation都有相當的幫助,
更別說是中高頻了.

題外話:不知有無網兄用過價格相對較低,如 GIK或其他廠的製品.
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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2009-12-30, 22:22

minime 寫: 感謝Raymond 兄與眾網兄的圖表與資訊 讓我們再次開了眼界 :eusa_clap:
這個時代光說不練的人太多,熱心分享的人卻太少.
如Raymond兄的Bass Trap 測試資訊完整者也不多見.
小弟只在自家用上高密度玻纖板與房間周邊塞進數公分至數十公分的fluffy fiberglass/rockwool,
除了幾塊約2'x4' 活動的玻纖板外. 並無法配合Room EQ Wizard如此測試實際吸音效果.

以個人經驗, 將這些玻纖板(表面繃布)放在已經處理過的角落,
效果確實不如未處理或程度較少的角落.

而以REW的高解析度(不設任何的平滑化), 更可發現就算放這些簡單
的吸音材, 對中低頻(120Hz以上)的波峰與cancellation都有相當的幫助,
更別說是中高頻了.

題外話:不知有無網兄用過價格相對較低,如 GIK或其他廠的製品.


:love_china: :love_china: :love_china:

由於對市面林林總總的吸音和調音不知其真正功效

故為求知,也想辦法去深入理解,尋求不同產品用在我家的效能

更借助 XTZ Room Analyzer 以科學化的方法去作比較

由於 Eddie 兄慷慨借出 RealTraps,故才出非專業報告與大家分享

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世上很多學派及很多方法去處理 Room Acoustic

故相信用實際現塲量度數據,才可真正比較效果

故亦建議各網兄去作簡單量度,用 REW 加 Sound Level Meter 便可知一二

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Re: [AV] 聖誕節 - 大勞動 --> 吸音板和調音柱測試,組合(P.2),結果(P.4)

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2009-12-30, 22:31

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我最初買入 DAAD 前亦有向其義大利專家討教

再由其分析我家的音頻後,才提供以 DAAD 的處理方法

DAAD 調音柱是同時有吸音 (Absorption) 及 擴散 (Diffusion) 功能

故有别於市面一般產品,大多只作吸音處理

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KY when will you buy new speaker?

Let me know.... :inlove2:

If we make the same decision and in the same time, maybe we can go to bargain together to get better discount... :a009:
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