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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 cocacola99 發表於 2010-08-17, 14:07

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Marantz AV Amp 用 Cirrus Logic DAC

但全是 8 Channel 的 DAC 1 粒

Marantz:
AV 8003: CS4382A×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter
SR 8002: CS4382A×1
SR 7002: CS4382A×1
SR 6003: CS42528×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter

:question2: :question2: :question2:

有無人用 Marantz 的 AV Amp

效果如何?

:a013: :a013: :a013:



把o

:maskman: 買左前後, 同一日即放


:a005: :a005: :what: :what: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :043: :043:


見過 r66 二手價平到你唔信 :ebsmile:

8003前都ok既...但個 xlr 係假的, 後就 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:


:a005: :a005: :a005:

諗唔到,Marantz 的 DVD 机及 SACD/CD 机咁了得

AV Amp 的聲頻部份咁差

:coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

但計埋價位都ok啦, 我一出即買, 一套都係32000左右, 家陣2手15000蚊算係咁.

:a005: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

你地用天虫貴3倍係睇唔上眼D二奶貨色 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:


我用小橋咋 :ebsmile:
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BDP: Denon 2500 (Kimber PK14)
DVDP: Toshiba XDE
CDP: emmlabs TSD1+ DAC2 (Powersnake Python Vx, Acrolink 7n-2070II XLR)
Speakers: Ologe Acoustic The TEN, Zero, One
2-channel Amp: Mcintosh C2300 (Ologe PC) + Mcintosh MC1.2kw (Ologe PC, Acrolink 7n-2070II XLR)
Power processor: CSE-TX1200
AV Pre Amp: Onkyo PR-SC5507
AV Power Amp: Theta Dreadnaught II
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 W0S0L00 發表於 2010-08-17, 14:25

cocacola99 寫:
W0S0L00 寫:
初哥 寫:
W0S0L00 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫:
W0S0L00 寫:
cocacola99 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫:
MartinTong 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫: :lightbulb: :lightbulb: :lightbulb:

Marantz AV Amp 用 Cirrus Logic DAC

但全是 8 Channel 的 DAC 1 粒

Marantz:
AV 8003: CS4382A×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter
SR 8002: CS4382A×1
SR 7002: CS4382A×1
SR 6003: CS42528×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter

:question2: :question2: :question2:

有無人用 Marantz 的 AV Amp

效果如何?

:a013: :a013: :a013:



把o

:maskman: 買左前後, 同一日即放


:a005: :a005: :what: :what: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :043: :043:


見過 r66 二手價平到你唔信 :ebsmile:

8003前都ok既...但個 xlr 係假的, 後就 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:


:a005: :a005: :a005:

諗唔到,Marantz 的 DVD 机及 SACD/CD 机咁了得

AV Amp 的聲頻部份咁差

:coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

但計埋價位都ok啦, 我一出即買, 一套都係32000左右, 家陣2手15000蚊算係咁.

:a005: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

你地用天虫貴3倍係睇唔上眼D二奶貨色 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:


我用小橋咋 :ebsmile:

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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 初哥 發表於 2010-08-17, 14:27

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cocacola99 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫:
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Raymond Wan 寫: :lightbulb: :lightbulb: :lightbulb:

Marantz AV Amp 用 Cirrus Logic DAC

但全是 8 Channel 的 DAC 1 粒

Marantz:
AV 8003: CS4382A×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter
SR 8002: CS4382A×1
SR 7002: CS4382A×1
SR 6003: CS42528×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter

:question2: :question2: :question2:

有無人用 Marantz 的 AV Amp

效果如何?

:a013: :a013: :a013:



把o

:maskman: 買左前後, 同一日即放


:a005: :a005: :what: :what: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :043: :043:


見過 r66 二手價平到你唔信 :ebsmile:

8003前都ok既...但個 xlr 係假的, 後就 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:


:a005: :a005: :a005:

諗唔到,Marantz 的 DVD 机及 SACD/CD 机咁了得

AV Amp 的聲頻部份咁差

:coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

但計埋價位都ok啦, 我一出即買, 一套都係32000左右, 家陣2手15000蚊算係咁.

:a005: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

你地用天虫貴3倍係睇唔上眼D二奶貨色 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:

我之前用905
後尾放二手都有1皮攞返
都係晤見30%到
你部馬仔晤見50%
你先富有豪得起 :sorry: :sorry: :sorry: :sorry: :sorry: :sorry:
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 W0S0L00 發表於 2010-08-17, 14:48

初哥 寫:
W0S0L00 寫:
初哥 寫:
W0S0L00 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫:
W0S0L00 寫:
cocacola99 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫:
MartinTong 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫: :lightbulb: :lightbulb: :lightbulb:

Marantz AV Amp 用 Cirrus Logic DAC

但全是 8 Channel 的 DAC 1 粒

Marantz:
AV 8003: CS4382A×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter
SR 8002: CS4382A×1
SR 7002: CS4382A×1
SR 6003: CS42528×1 --> 114 dB, 192 kHz 8-channel D/A Converter

:question2: :question2: :question2:

有無人用 Marantz 的 AV Amp

效果如何?

:a013: :a013: :a013:



把o

:maskman: 買左前後, 同一日即放


:a005: :a005: :what: :what: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :043: :043:


見過 r66 二手價平到你唔信 :ebsmile:

8003前都ok既...但個 xlr 係假的, 後就 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:


:a005: :a005: :a005:

諗唔到,Marantz 的 DVD 机及 SACD/CD 机咁了得

AV Amp 的聲頻部份咁差

:coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

但計埋價位都ok啦, 我一出即買, 一套都係32000左右, 家陣2手15000蚊算係咁.

:a005: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2: :coldsweat2:

你地用天虫貴3倍係睇唔上眼D二奶貨色 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:

我之前用905
後尾放二手都有1皮攞返
都係晤見30%到
你部馬仔晤見50%
你先富有豪得起 :sorry: :sorry: :sorry: :sorry: :sorry: :sorry:

:045: :045: :045:
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 pin 發表於 2010-08-17, 16:33

Raymond Wan 寫:
cocacola99 寫: oh, my 5507 onkyo av pre amp only uses 1795x6 instead of 1796 by the same brand av amp :confused:


:modlaugh: :modlaugh: :modlaugh:

Technically, PCM1795 (32 Bit) is better than PCM1796 (24 Bit)

:043: :043: :043:

Burr Brown PCM DAC

最高級:
132dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣[最高性能] 立體聲DAC(硬件控制)----- 1794A(24 Bit)
132dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣[最高性能] 立體聲DAC(軟件控制)----- 1792A(24 Bit)

高級:
123dB SNR 32Bit 200kHz 採樣[高級] 立體聲DAC ---------------------------- 1795(32 Bit)
123dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣立體聲DAC(軟件控制)----------------- 1796(24 Bit)
123dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣立體聲DAC(硬件控制)------------------ 1798(24 Bit)

中端:
105dB SNR 8 Channel 音頻DAC -------------------------- 1680
113dB SNR 8 Channel 音頻DAC --------------------------- 1690
113dB SNR 立體聲音頻DAC(硬件控制)--------- 1791

以上資料總結,現在的主流AV 前級及擴音機都沒使用多顆頂級32Bit 或132dB SNR 的1792A 或1794A 或1795 的頂級配置。

高級大都只使用了24Bit 192kHz 的DAC,中、高端功放用多顆120dB 以上的stereo 立體聲DAC,中端用多顆113dB 的stereo 立體聲DAC。中低端就是單顆8 Channel 多聲道的DAC 了。

所從要比較埋 SNR (Signal Noise Ratio) 這個重要性能指標

Burr Brown / TI :struggle: Wolfson

:a008: :a008: :a008:


All Wolfson noise floor is much better than others, besides for the no. of DAC like XXX x pcs, it is depend it use as parallel connection to decode, or just have more DAC for each channel (it only work for multi-channel input NOT digital decode!!)
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2010-08-17, 21:46

Raymond Wan 寫:
Cam 寫: PCM1796 x 12

:inlove2: :inlove2:


:a008: :a008: :a008:

Denon AVP-A1HD: PCM1796×12

:great: :great: :great:


W0S0L00 寫:
8003前都ok既...但個 xlr 係假的, 後就 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:



:a009: :a009: :a009:

Denon AVP-A1HD - True Balanced Design

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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 W0S0L00 發表於 2010-08-17, 22:00

Raymond Wan 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫:
Cam 寫: PCM1796 x 12

:inlove2: :inlove2:


:a008: :a008: :a008:

Denon AVP-A1HD: PCM1796×12

:great: :great: :great:


W0S0L00 寫:
8003前都ok既...但個 xlr 係假的, 後就 :ebsmile: :ebsmile:



:a009: :a009: :a009:

Denon AVP-A1HD - True Balanced Design

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:great: :great: :great:

but the price is...... :063:
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2010-08-17, 22:17

:049: :049: :049:

Single End (RCA) Transmission vs Balanced (XLR) Transmission

Single End --> Noise Induced :confused: :confused:

Balanced --> Noise Rejection :guitar: :guitar:

:share: :share: :share:

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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 Raymond Wan 發表於 2010-08-18, 08:22

pin 寫:
Raymond Wan 寫:
cocacola99 寫: oh, my 5507 onkyo av pre amp only uses 1795x6 instead of 1796 by the same brand av amp :confused:


:modlaugh: :modlaugh: :modlaugh:

Technically, PCM1795 (32 Bit) is better than PCM1796 (24 Bit)

:043: :043: :043:

Burr Brown PCM DAC

最高級:
132dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣[最高性能] 立體聲DAC(硬件控制)----- 1794A(24 Bit)
132dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣[最高性能] 立體聲DAC(軟件控制)----- 1792A(24 Bit)

高級:
123dB SNR 32Bit 200kHz 採樣[高級] 立體聲DAC ---------------------------- 1795(32 Bit)
123dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣立體聲DAC(軟件控制)----------------- 1796(24 Bit)
123dB SNR 24Bit 192kHz 採樣立體聲DAC(硬件控制)------------------ 1798(24 Bit)

中端:
105dB SNR 8 Channel 音頻DAC -------------------------- 1680
113dB SNR 8 Channel 音頻DAC --------------------------- 1690
113dB SNR 立體聲音頻DAC(硬件控制)--------- 1791

以上資料總結,現在的主流AV 前級及擴音機都沒使用多顆頂級32Bit 或132dB SNR 的1792A 或1794A 或1795 的頂級配置。

高級大都只使用了24Bit 192kHz 的DAC,中、高端功放用多顆120dB 以上的stereo 立體聲DAC,中端用多顆113dB 的stereo 立體聲DAC。中低端就是單顆8 Channel 多聲道的DAC 了。

所從要比較埋 SNR (Signal Noise Ratio) 這個重要性能指標

Burr Brown / TI :struggle: Wolfson

:a008: :a008: :a008:


All Wolfson noise floor is much better than others, besides for the no. of DAC like XXX x pcs, it is depend it use as parallel connection to decode, or just have more DAC for each channel (it only work for multi-channel input NOT digital decode!!)


:question2: :question2: :question2:

For AV Preamp / Amp:

It appears for Digital Audio Input such as HDMI, the signal will be decoded and sent out as LPCM to DAC to process ?

Hence, all the audio signal will be processed by the DAC before output for amplification by power ampilifers.

:question2: :question2: :question2:

Digital Input --> HDMI/DSP Processor --> Digital/Analog Converter (DAC) --> Analog Output

Analog Input --> Analog/Digital Converter (ADC) --> DSP --> Digital/Analog Converter (DAC) --> Analog Output

:a013: :a013: :a013:

Digital Signal Processing is handled by DSP Engines such as SHARC®

For example, Lexicon MC-12 EQ uses SHARC® x 8 + Cirrus Logic x 1 for DSP Audio.

Note:
Super Harvard Architecture Single-Chip Computer (SHARC)
is a high performance floating-point and fixed-point DSP from Analog Devices.

:guitar: :guitar: :guitar:

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:lightbulb: :lightbulb: :lightbulb:

For Blu-ray Player:


Digital: Blu-ray Audio HD Signal --> Audio Decoder --> LPCM (HDMI Output)

Analog: Blu-ray Audio HD Signal --> Audio Decoder --> DAC --> Analog (RCA Output)

Hence, if audio signal is transmitted via HDMI, the DAC inside the blu-ray is not functioning. :eusa_wall: :eusa_wall: :eusa_wall:
No matter how good the DACs are, they are wasted (not being used at all). :043: :043: :043:
It is acting just as a blu-ray transport. :003: :003: :003:

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Blu-ray Player (HDMI) Digital Output
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Blu-ray Player (RCA) Analog Output

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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 cocacola99 發表於 2010-08-18, 11:03

ha? analog signal need to go thru adc ga...................why? in order for av amp to amplify?
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DVDP: Toshiba XDE
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Speakers: Ologe Acoustic The TEN, Zero, One
2-channel Amp: Mcintosh C2300 (Ologe PC) + Mcintosh MC1.2kw (Ologe PC, Acrolink 7n-2070II XLR)
Power processor: CSE-TX1200
AV Pre Amp: Onkyo PR-SC5507
AV Power Amp: Theta Dreadnaught II
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 orpheuslau 發表於 2010-08-18, 12:10

cocacola99 寫: ha? analog signal need to go thru adc ga...................why? in order for av amp to amplify?


analog signal -> ADC - > digital signal for amp processing - > DAC - > Analog signal output...

so if you are using analog input, the signal has to go through this ADC-->DAC process...which "MAY" incur extra noise...therefore the quality of ADC is also important for pre-amp :what: :what: :what:

in case of my denon AVP-A1HDA, analog signal can be converted to digital (ADC) for additional processing e.g. Audyssey , then convert back to analog (DAC) for XLR output. of course, for pure direct, the above process will be skipped in order to maintain the signal integrity.
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 aw11onfire 發表於 2010-08-18, 12:16

:hypno: :hypno: :hypno:
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 orpheuslau 發表於 2010-08-18, 12:22

cocacola99 寫: ha? analog signal need to go thru adc ga...................why? in order for av amp to amplify?


one more...

as i remember when i am using the LX91 , i have compared the difference between analog output and HDMI output...

there is observable difference (any other gear remain unchanged) :a009: :a009: :a009:

may you refer to my previous post for reference
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Re: [AV] DAC used by AV Amplifier / Processor

文章發表人 keroro 發表於 2010-08-18, 14:36

cocacola99 寫: ha? analog signal need to go thru adc ga...................why? in order for av amp to amplify?


應該可以bypass, 用av amp當純後級 :question2:
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